Nah. I think the … Nah. I think the socialists out there in SF didn’t donate as much because they couldn’t quite hear/see the donation stands, likely due to the fact that the average liberal in California has their head lodged firmly in their rectum. It is due to the same reason that liberals commonly believe that welfare actually helps poor people.
That is an … That is an excellent point! Certainly the panhandlers aren’t armed with credit card facilities. If they weren’t getting change, they wouldn’t be there. This might also point to the people from SF donating directly to people rather than through the middleman charity. Of course you would have to poll the people giving to the homeless there as to their politics.
You are correct. … You are correct. Many people are wary of charities for the reasons you cite. But why is not the same standard applied to government that performs much worse?
Yes, “left and … Yes, “left and right” politics are an oversimplification of what politics are, some people like libertarians can be fiscally conservertive while socially liberal and even saying that is an oversimplification of specific policies as if some people are politically in line with their personal beliefs, for example I personally do not like abortion as birth control but I would oppose measures to restrict a woman’s right to use abortion as birth control.
Seriously, I’m a … Seriously, I’m a small/no government-type, so this isn’t exactly coming from a modern liberal: learn how to argue. You sound like a paranoid right-wing dogmatist on crack. You’re embarrassing yourself.
Churches aren’t … Churches aren’t really charity in my book because too many spend their money on getting bullshit for themselves rather than helping the needy. At the same time, a church isn’t a conservative OR liberal institution. And seriously, don’t dehumanize people just because they’re wrong, or because you disagree with them. Conservatives lie – libertarians lie, etc. We’re humans, not red or blue. Damn.. It’s that sort of mind set that leads to political genocide.
Taxes aren’t … Taxes aren’t charity, crazy. And I’m not a conservative in any way, but that was just stupid. Charity is voluntary last time I checked. Don’t try to use that nonsense. Taxes are payed under threat of government force. The only reason people in certain states pay more taxes is because they don’t want to be thrown in jail. Not exactly “charitable”. Still, I think people who feel the government is bad at helping people in general are more charitable, regardless of their political views.
That’s incredibly … That’s incredibly true. Also, Stossel seems to mean more people who are conservative politically/fiscally. I’m sure a lot of libertarians and anarchists are generous when it comes to a private charity. Why lump everyone into the usual political dichotomy. People tend to use their own definition of “liberal” and “conservative”, so Stossel should have defined his terms, and used a better study.
This is a … This is a fascinating video. My liberal side wants to object, but it can’t because there doesn’t seem to be any blatant agenda behind Stossel’s presentation here. (Or at least not MUCH of one. He DOES compare liberals and conservatives.) Not to say his study can’t be flawed, but I think it’s interesting. And that guy is right: EVERYONE has money they can give away.
I know right Turbo … I know right Turbo tax Ghitener (bad spelling) doesn’t like to pay his taxes yet he runs the IRS. Thank you Obama you genius man you.
I just want to … I just want to congratulate PlayerXT on trying to be objective. As far as I can tell he was not trying to push forth any agenda; he was just saying “there are flaws with this study and it should be improved.” I wish more people were objectively and scientifically minded like this. Notice he also didn’t try to commit character assassination by saying “John Stossel is an idiot” unlike USAGymnast immediately jumping in to say that PlayerXT is just a liberal that doesn’t like the study.
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October 14th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Nah. I think the …
Nah. I think the socialists out there in SF didn’t donate as much because they couldn’t quite hear/see the donation stands, likely due to the fact that the average liberal in California has their head lodged firmly in their rectum. It is due to the same reason that liberals commonly believe that welfare actually helps poor people.
October 14th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Haha, Lefties are …
Haha, Lefties are hypocrites of the first order!
October 14th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
They’re generous …
They’re generous with someone else’s money.
October 14th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
This misleading …
This misleading program fails to mention that:
1. The cost of living is much higher in SF than SueFalls.
2. More middle class wage earners live in the blue states (see 1 above)
This is a classic apples to oranges comparison in which Stossel tries to mislead you although for what reason I’am not sure.
October 14th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
but hey… what if …
but hey… what if it had been a secular charity, eh!? hm…
October 14th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
What a ridiculous …
What a ridiculous segment.
The salvation army is a religious charity.
I wonder what the numbers would have been if the charity was the aids healthcare foundation collecting in S. Francisco
The only conclusion that a person can draw from this video is that the people making it were asleep at the wheel.
October 14th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
this research …
this research counted religions and church… church
October 14th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Ｔｈｅ ｉｒｏｎｙ ｈｅｒｅ ｉｓ …
Ｔｈｅ ｉｒｏｎｙ ｈｅｒｅ ｉｓ ｔｈａｔ Ｌｉｂｅｒａｌｓ ｐｏｌｉｔｉｃｉａｎｓ ｔｅｎｄ ｔｏ ｇｉｖｅ ａｗａｙ ａｌｏｔ ｏｆ ｍｏｎｅｙ ｔｈａｔ ｉｓ ｎｏｔ ｔｈｅｉｒｓ （ｔａｘｐａｙｅｒ ｍｏｎｅｙ）
October 14th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Charity is a great …
Charity is a great business!
October 14th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
That is an …
That is an excellent point! Certainly the panhandlers aren’t armed with credit card facilities. If they weren’t getting change, they wouldn’t be there. This might also point to the people from SF donating directly to people rather than through the middleman charity. Of course you would have to poll the people giving to the homeless there as to their politics.
October 14th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
You are correct. …
You are correct. Many people are wary of charities for the reasons you cite. But why is not the same standard applied to government that performs much worse?
October 14th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
either way its …
either way its charity, we can’t force charity cause charity is volunteering. ah the burgeosie and proletariat.
October 14th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Yes, “left and …
Yes, “left and right” politics are an oversimplification of what politics are, some people like libertarians can be fiscally conservertive while socially liberal and even saying that is an oversimplification of specific policies as if some people are politically in line with their personal beliefs, for example I personally do not like abortion as birth control but I would oppose measures to restrict a woman’s right to use abortion as birth control.
October 14th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Seriously, I’m a …
Seriously, I’m a small/no government-type, so this isn’t exactly coming from a modern liberal: learn how to argue. You sound like a paranoid right-wing dogmatist on crack. You’re embarrassing yourself.
October 14th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Churches aren’t …
Churches aren’t really charity in my book because too many spend their money on getting bullshit for themselves rather than helping the needy. At the same time, a church isn’t a conservative OR liberal institution. And seriously, don’t dehumanize people just because they’re wrong, or because you disagree with them. Conservatives lie – libertarians lie, etc. We’re humans, not red or blue. Damn.. It’s that sort of mind set that leads to political genocide.
October 14th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Taxes aren’t …
Taxes aren’t charity, crazy. And I’m not a conservative in any way, but that was just stupid. Charity is voluntary last time I checked. Don’t try to use that nonsense. Taxes are payed under threat of government force. The only reason people in certain states pay more taxes is because they don’t want to be thrown in jail. Not exactly “charitable”. Still, I think people who feel the government is bad at helping people in general are more charitable, regardless of their political views.
October 14th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
That’s incredibly …
That’s incredibly true. Also, Stossel seems to mean more people who are conservative politically/fiscally. I’m sure a lot of libertarians and anarchists are generous when it comes to a private charity. Why lump everyone into the usual political dichotomy. People tend to use their own definition of “liberal” and “conservative”, so Stossel should have defined his terms, and used a better study.
October 14th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
This is a …
This is a fascinating video. My liberal side wants to object, but it can’t because there doesn’t seem to be any blatant agenda behind Stossel’s presentation here. (Or at least not MUCH of one. He DOES compare liberals and conservatives.) Not to say his study can’t be flawed, but I think it’s interesting. And that guy is right: EVERYONE has money they can give away.
October 14th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
I know right Turbo …
I know right Turbo tax Ghitener (bad spelling) doesn’t like to pay his taxes yet he runs the IRS. Thank you Obama you genius man you.
October 14th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Thank you …
Thank you BrianRotMenacer, I agree that sometimes people can just be giving an opinion without pushing any agendas.
October 14th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
I just want to …
I just want to congratulate PlayerXT on trying to be objective. As far as I can tell he was not trying to push forth any agenda; he was just saying “there are flaws with this study and it should be improved.” I wish more people were objectively and scientifically minded like this. Notice he also didn’t try to commit character assassination by saying “John Stossel is an idiot” unlike USAGymnast immediately jumping in to say that PlayerXT is just a liberal that doesn’t like the study.
October 14th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Where can I find …
Where can I find the entire segment? I’ve been looking for this for awhile now.
October 14th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Liberals? Ha. Give …
Liberals? Ha. Give? HA!
October 14th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Take your …
Take your medication.
October 14th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Now THAT was some …
Now THAT was some funny shit. Thumbs up, dude.